American Terrorism

2007-223-gun-control-in-americaTwelve dead in Alabama. With all that gun access, nobody was able to pop off a shot to stop another armed American Psycho. The Second Amendment has became a random death sentence for a deluded populace who think they wil be able to rise up with guns against an evil government. As if. And the ones who will use those guns and dirty bombs tend to be right-wing extremist groups – or “cells” as Hollywood action star and pundit Chuck Norris calls his FOX militia (Timothy Mcveigh where are you?). I can’t think of any left-wing groups in the US who use terrorist terminology to describe their political activity, but then, I’m not in full on delusional pathological meltdown mode like today’s increasingly scary GOP.

UPDATE: Looks like the Department of Homeland Security agrees with my summation:

Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks of rightwing extremist groups, as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence against the government. The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by rightwing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to law enforcement.

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25 Responses to “American Terrorism”

  1. well there are allot of laws that forbid citizens to carry arms without those laws maybe some one could have saved the day, but people keep accepting laws that make it so the only people who can protect us are police, and how long until they protect us from our own thoughts?

  2. christian Says:

    Well, the police have that power now. The last administration made it easy with the Patriot Act. And people that pull guns on police are not often credited with defending liberty. I don’t want anybody to have unchecked power. But the NRA faithful are very inconsistent with liberties taken. The tea party militia is a symptom of this funnelvision.

    • jkeeling Says:

      I think ELF (Earth Liberation Front) qualifies as a lefty terrorist group.

      and regarding the Patriot Act, aren’t you being ~selective in only crediting the last administration with it’s enactment? It passed by wide margins in both houses of congress.

  3. christian Says:

    The worst case of domestic terror has come from extreme rightie radicals like Timothy McVeigh and then there’s David Koresh and his stockpile of girls and guns. Not saying some lefty groups haven’t engaged — The Weatherman come to mind — but let’s face it: leftists don’t stockpile weapons and guns the way the righties do nor threaten to break them out the way folks like Glenn Beck and others have been threatening. The recent outbreak of shootings have had extreme right ideas behind the trigger as in the Alabama church shooting and the police killed by the nut afeard Obama was taking his guns away. They’re scarier than a group of angry vegans.

    And the Patriot Act was a shameful disgusting Bush/Cheney/Ashcroft scam sadly supported by petrified Dems, who as you should recall, were in danger of appearing “Un-American” according to Limbaugh and the media in the wake of 9/11. Calling anything “Patriot” is a sure sign of encroaching liberty by forcing those against the provisos to appear as Acting Un-Patriot. But there were folks like brave Dennis Kucinich who were vocal about these rush tactics and who were right.

  4. jkeeling Says:

    i was replying to your comment about not being aware of lefty orgs who use terrorist terminology. My point was that they do exist.

    I wholeheartedly agree with your naming comment ( re: “Patriot” ), but “petrified dems” is a sorry sorry excuse. It suggests they were all against it, and voted for it to save their neck. It is quite possible that many, at the time, considered it warranted. This brings up an interested question. What is more shameful: believing in a bill and voting for it, or not believing in a bill and voting for it. ??

    The Koresh/Waco incident had many variables. I think to pluck out the gun/girls part of the is story is an oversimplification. Don’t assume i’m hating on JReno; I believe she wanted a peaceful ending.

  5. christian Says:

    As Dennis Kucinich adroitly said many timees, the reason he was against the Patriot Act was because “I read it.” And his implication was correct, that the Dems were so cowed by 9/11 and the Revenge fervor, that they let the bill slide through without examining it, which many now regret not doing. Regardless whether the Dems thought it a good bill or not is immaterial. It was a disastrous bill and revealing of the control impulses of the GOP.

    Waco was a travesty, and the documentary shines sorry light on Reno and the ATF’s unnecessary brutality in dealing with the situation. Hell, it was Waco that made me more aware that our government has the power to do whatever the fuck it wants, when it wants. That’s why I was warning folks that my governor Bush was going to be the next president long before there was an election.

  6. jkeeling Says:

    i haven’t adequately researched this myself and may be off the mark, but i am under the impression our current administration has no plans to change the Patriot Act. Dems now enjoy wide control and could undo it’s provisions … wouldn’t this undermine your assertion that many now regret it?

  7. christian Says:

    The torture that was sanctioned by the Bush administration would fall under the category of the Patriot Act and its unconstitutional facets such as the suspension of habeus corpus and other things like this:

    PORTLAND, Ore. – Two provisions of the USA Patriot Act are unconstitutional because they allow search warrants to be issued without a showing of probable cause, a federal judge ruled Wednesday.

    U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken ruled that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, as amended by the Patriot Act, “now permits the executive branch of government to conduct surveillance and searches of American citizens without satisfying the probable cause requirements of the Fourth Amendment.”

    Portland attorney Brandon Mayfield sought the ruling in a lawsuit against the federal government after he was mistakenly linked by the FBI to the Madrid train bombings that killed 191 people in 2004.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20999950/

    And Obama voted AGAINST Bush’s version of the Patriot Act, and later Obama helped bring changes to the shady civil liberties clauses. I don’t believe that Obama has used the PA to centralize power as was the case with Bush/Cheney. And Democrats like Kucinich and Kerry have been undoing its more Orwellian aspects and I expect it to be more revised in the coming years. Al Franken isn’t going to let that slide either…

  8. jkeeling Says:

    The enacted Patriot Act is the one first cited in this discussion, and it was endorsed in 2005 by Obama. I presume that he read and understood it’s implications.

  9. Talk about bias.

    if you study unbiased facts (look up the works of John Lott and Gary Kleck for starters) you’ll find that when law-abiding citizens are permited to arm themselves, crime, and particularly violent crime, is reduced. This is not a solution, for the solution to crime lies in improving the quality of education, infrastructure, a stronger economy, and an end to the drug war. However, the fact is that law abiding gun owners prevent tens of thousands of rapes, robberies, assaults, and murders every year simply by existing (again, see research “more guns, less crime” and “point blank: a study of firearms and their control”)

    And let’s not forget the undeniable fact, as prooved by history and current events (darfur). An armed citizenry is the single best defense against oppression, whether foreign or domestic.

    I do not ask that you like guns, or own one. But do not deny my right to own one simply because it frightens you and you do not understand the facts.

  10. christian Says:

    “However, the fact is that law abiding gun owners prevent tens of thousands of rapes, robberies, assaults, and murders every year simply by existing (again, see research “more guns, less crime” and “point blank: a study of firearms and their control”)”

    Stats please. And you forget that the people murdered in the past few months have been soldiers, policemen and armed guards. Along with children in churches. Our society is out of gun control and the result is more senseless innocent blood spilled. Do we think terrorists should be granted unfettered access to guns here? I don’t. But the NRA seems to think so.

    And this armed citizenry argument is nonsense. Look at Iran. If any of the wackjob secessionists think they can stop the Feds from entering their compounds, that’s the height of fantasy. All of your auto-rifles can’t stop a helicopter with a few cluster bombs. This is a right-wing fantasy at its worst about “arming yourself against he ebbil government.”

  11. Everyone is wrong. No matter if we have guns in everyone’s or no-ones hands here in America, we are not our own worst enemy. The patriot act was enacted to help weed out the non-patriots. Now, that being the case, let it roll.

    But, I just wrote to get John K’s correct email address. And to reconnect with Chris D. This is Adam’s big, younger, brother.

  12. christian Says:

    What up Ed? Hop to see you soon.

    And buddy, you’re on the list.

  13. Big D Dano Says:

    DUDE GUNS R COOL.

  14. christian Says:

    That’s what Eric Harris said!

  15. leave guns alone
    there is much misinformation in the above picture

  16. I wish America would leave guns alone.

  17. Move to Europe already asshole. That’s why they call it sacrificing liberty for security. If you want less liberty and more security then move to England or North Korea. I’ll stay here with no health insurance which sucks since I’m getting shot at constantly from all the random guns everywhere. Christ Jesus dude. Don’t you know every dictatorship starts with the seizing of weapons and that the Holocaust would have never happened if Hitler hadn’t banned firearms and a genuine buffer zone stands between an armed citizenry and their government. Do some research on England and look at all the personal liberties that have been taken away since they banned firearms. Do some research on every civilization going back to Egypt. You’ll discover patterns.

    • christian Says:

      Great — you can get killed randomly by some mental-case with an arsenal and then be denied Health Care.

      What’s your idea of freedom exactly?

      And if you think you and your band of survivalists can stop a drone from bombing you into the history books, good luck Rambo.

  18. HISTORY OF GUN CONTROL

    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control.

    From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    In 1911, Turkey established gun control.

    From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    Germany established gun control in 1938.

    From 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

    China established gun control in 1935.

    From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated

    Guatemala established gun control in 1964.

    From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    Uganda established gun control in 1970.

    From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    Cambodia established gun control in 1956.

    From 1975 to 1977, one million educated’ people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    56 million defenseless people, worldwide, have been rounded up and exterminated, in the 20th Century, because of gun control.

    It has now been 12 months, since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms, to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

    The first year results are now in:

    List of 7 items:

    Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent
    Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent
    Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent.

    In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.

    Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns.

    While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

    There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY.

    Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns.The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

    _____________________________________________________________…

    You won’t see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

    Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

    The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

    With guns, we are ‘citizens,’ without them, we are ‘subjects.’

    During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America, because they knew most Americans were ARMED.

    If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.

    PRACTICE GUN CONTROL – USE BOTH HANDS

  19. christian Says:

    How disgusting that only a day after a Federal officer was gunned down in Vegas — I guess his gun didn’t help him — and a family gunned down in St Louis, that you gun-lovin’ crazis crawl out of the woodwork.

    Show me the last time a group of gun-owners defeated tyranny here in America. Waco?

  20. Wow. A lot of emotion here. Christian, suppose that some sort of national gun control is enacted along the lines of England or perhaps even stricter gun laws. How would you propose to get the guns? My point is, that, unless you can guarantee 100% compliance, the only individuals that will be disarmed are those who obey the law. How would you guarantee 100% compliance?

  21. I just think it’s cute how you go on all about how gun owners are evil. A firearm is a tool, nothing more, nothing less. If you had half the intelligence that you like to imagine yourself as having, you might realize that it is just as easy to kill someone with a knife, hammer, screwdriver, baseball bat, ice pick, stick, pipe, wrench, etc. China allows zero privately owned firearms, and yet school children don’t seem to be any safer there than they are anywhere else. When will you whining idiots realize that if someone wants another person dead, then they are going to kill them? Please note that it also does not help your cause any that all of the anti-gun politicians seem to think that their laws apply only to us “common folk”, while they themselves hypocritically carry firearms, or else employ armed bodyguards. What a joke.

    • christian Says:

      No, I never ONCE said that gun owners are evil — I know quite a few. And I’ve fired many a gun on ranges.

      But our nation is out of gun control. NOBODY needs to own an AK-47.

      And the daily gun violence that is accepted as the price of an overzealous overintepretation of the 2nd Amendment is not worth it.

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